Holy smokes! If Russia won't take the Ukrainian bait would a false flag be the next move? This is exactly, I kid you not, exactly something mentioned as a distinct possibility just yesterday during a real life conversationSo, that freaks me out quite a bit!And, a Malaysian passenger plane? Another Malaysian plane?What would be the odds? It's certainly memorable. As in the memories are already embedded in the mass consciousness.- Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 unofficial disappearance theoriesMy other thought is Malaysian Airlines are not so good and this tragedy is being spun for political advantagesee update #1 I will likely be updating whenever possible- check back in for more news ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Today it is MasMH17 crashing in Ukraine
A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board crashed in Ukraine today, the Interfax news agency cited an aviation industry source as saying.The Boeing 777-200 was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, it said.Malaysia Airlines has sent out the following tweet: "Malaysia Airlines has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. Last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow."
The plane was due to arrive in Kuala Lumpur at 6.09am tomorrow.The Interfax report said the plane came down 50km short of entering Russian airspace.It "began to drop, afterwards it was found burning on the ground on Ukrainian territory," the unnamed source said.The plane appeared to have come down in a region of military action where Ukrainian government forces are battling pro-Russian separatists.A separate unnamed source in the Ukrainian security apparatus, quoted by Interfax, said the plane disappeared from radar at a height of 10,000 metres after which it came down near the town of Shakhtyorsk, reported Reuters.
Meanwhile Bloomberg has reported Ukrainian Interior Minister adviser Anton Gerashchenko on his Facebook confirming that the plane has been hit by a missile and crashed near the eastern town of Torez.
Kiev's fascists are already spinning this was a shootdown!
Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 metres when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday. The Buk missile system can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 metres.
[UPDATE 00:01AM] Malaysian Passenger Plane Crashes In Ukraine Near Russian Border – Interfax
A Malaysian airliner reportedly with 295 people on board has crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.Malaysia Airlines said it had lost contact with Flight MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukraine, it said in a tweet.An aviation source in Moscow told Reuters the plane had been found burning on the ground in east Ukraine.
This can't be good. It really can't be good. It's clear Kiev is putting forth the narrative with zero evidence of any type. No investigation. No evidence to substantiate Kiev's claim Malaysian jetliner shot down over Ukraine: official.The shootdown narrative originates with Kiev. Every news item I read that mentions shootdown is quoting Kiev officials.Very worrisome. Very worrisome.Earlier reporting from USA today UPDATE #1- Malaysia was award-winning airline before losing planes
The apparent crash Thursday of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 is the second major tragedy this year for the airline, which is still searching for Flight 370 that vanished March 8. The plane that crashed, a Boeing 777-200, is a similar model to the one that disappeared March 8 with 239 people aboard on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. The search for that flight has focused on the Indian Ocean about 1,000 miles west of Australia, based on intermittent signals that a satellite picked up.
I have goosebumps.....UPDATE #2This is supposed to be video of the crash? From the TelegraphVia social media, of course. I don't get a sense that it is a plane crash? Can anyone help with the translation? I don't know what is being said? Help, please? Update # 3 : Why was this plane flying over Ukraine? April/2014 International & US aviation authorities warned pilots and airlines to avoid Ukrainian airspace- Why was this plane there? Important questions that have to be asked?1-How many commercial airliners would be using airspace over a war zone? Particularly after international and US aviation authorities issued warnings to avoid Ukranian airspace?2- What insurer would knowingly insure a plane that was using airspace over a warzone?3- Who assigned the pilot the flight path? 4- If the pilot changed course mid-flight, who instructed the pilot to make the course change?
Aviation safety authorities in the United States and Europe warned pilots in April about potential risks flying in or near Ukraine airspace.
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration issued a "special notice" regarding Ukrainian airspace advising airlines to "exercise extreme caution due to the continuing potential for instability."
International aviation agencies in April also had warned pilots and airlines to avoid the Ukranian airspace.
UPDATE # 4Obama faces call to act over downed plane
As the world waited for an official US verdict ( An official US verdict?) on who was responsible for downing the plane, defence hawks were already warning that there would be "hell to pay" if Russia or its separatist proxies in eastern Ukraine were to blame.
Excuse me, how can the US issue a verdict without a proper investigation? Insane McCain-
"If it was a missile that was launched either by Russia or the 'separatists' – which in my view are indivisible – this would have the most profound repercussions," he told CNN.
"It would open the gates, finally, for our assisting the Ukrainians. Giving them some defensive weapons, sanctions would have to be imposed as a result of that, and that would just be the beginning."
UPDATE # 5- H/T Freethinker! President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - anonymous sourcesPay attention to this headline- Reports that Putin flew similar route as MH17, presidential airport says 'hasn't overflown Ukraine for long time'"Presidential airport hasn't overflown Ukraine for a long time"- How long of a time? Since international and US aviation authorities warned pilots and airlines to avoid Ukrainian airspace?
"I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity. "The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added"
Noticing the similarities?UPDATE #6US Intelligence officials confirm the shootdown "not an accident"I am not convinced of shootdown. I understand there is a vast debris field which means the plane exploded very high in the sky. This doesn't seem, to me, to exclude explosives planted on board?Confirming a shootdown- still does not tell us, if correct, who did the shooting.
A Malaysia Airlines passenger plane carrying 295 people was hit by a surface-to-air missile, according to U.S. intelligence officials. Officials were divided over the origin of the missile that hit the plane, which crashed over eastern Ukraine on Thursday.
This is way too convenient. Kiev claims the plane was shot down. The US bolsters the original claim without evidenceUPDATE #7 H/T jo6pacIf Kiev had already declared the south/ eastern Ukraine skies a 'no fly' area- for anyone other then Kiev's planes, then this plane flying overhead would have been a definite concern to the fascist's in Kiev- They may have mistaken it for Putin's plane and shot it down- Or, just the presence of the plane could have been all the justification needed for Kiev to take it down. So, we go back to the question, again, of why this plane was flying in this area? Was it being remotely piloted? It's possible. Either way, the shooting down of the plane, still points to Kiev.
DNR Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin said militias had no radars and therefore could not track planes.“Let me say that Ukraine declared the south-east a no-fly zone several days ago. And every day they were saying that they were registering some drones or spy planes. Naturally, they wanted to shoot down such a plane to prove Russia’s role in the conflict. Having seen some plane on the radar screen they might have shot it down. So it seems like a provocation,” Purgin said.
If you are reading this, you should know there are two follow ups.Read em! More info in these three posts then the emotional manipulation/propaganda you will get from the main stream war mongering media